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While it is true that the postal system is responsible, the point is that the seller did not ask for insurance, and the registration only acts as proof of posting. For this reason, the postal people will not do anything, they just state that oops, the item has been lost and they are so sorry.
Until now, I have accepted that some things do disappear in the mail. As a buyer, I have assumed it to be natural to take responsibility, if I did not ask for an insurance, and have not taken the cases any further - it was my fault not paying for the insurance, wasn't it?
I spent the morning reading the site and it appears that sellers do not enjoy any protection from Paypal. Item sent, posting proven, funds deducted.
I guess I need to do a chargeback on my lost items as well.
Kal
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Quote: I sold sent an item to a buyer in the UK and sent it to him by registered mail, but it never arrived.
Your problem isn't with the buyer, nor paypal, it's with the postal system. If you sent something registered, but it never arrived, you can't fault the buyer for disputing the transaction. Go talk to your postal people, they are the ones responsible.
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A horror story and asking for advice:
I sold sent an item to a buyer in the UK and sent it to him by registered mail, but it never arrived. The buyer initiated a chargeback against me, and Paypal promptly deducted the funds from my Paypal account (how stupid to have money there). The buyer did no pay for insurance, and I sent Paypal proof of posting - and the post office does not compensate either, of course. Effectively, I have lost the item AND have been charged some 400 USD by Paypal.
Is this their standard procedure and is there no way to recover the funds?
Kal
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<Rob>,
That's downright pathetic that paypal can't do anything about recovering funds even though the seller's bank account and/or credit card is still active in the paypal account. They could force access to the seller's funds, but from what you said, all they can do is send emails begging for money. I really wish those rumors about Google developing a payment service are true. I don't expect perfection, but c'mon! All they bothered to refund me is around 2% of how much I paid. I guess I'm gonna have to start selling my junk on Amazon instead and buying stuff on ebay with checks.
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All sellers should try and withdraw your pp balance's straight after transactions.
That way youve got your money before pp can steal it back, theres nothing they can do once its in your Bank account.
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<zenny>, can i make a suggestion that might help seller from being screwed... i had a buyer once who paid via pp great.. i sent goods he said thanks for item and everything was fine.
3 days later i got a mail from the guy saying the item wasnt as advertised .... woah take a step back... he\'d already told me the item was fine....
well he filed a claim with pp
They refunded his money i was told, because i couldnt prove the item wasnt as advertised.
But... what pp didnt realise.. is i always take my money out my pp account as soon as a buyer pays, so pp refunded the buyer, couldnt steal the money off me, pp looses out :)
I got a number of identical emails from pp requesting money. to each one i replied with the situation and that i was giving them nothing.
I never use pp anymore, for UK buyers i accept NoChex.
Never again to pp.
I wish i could leave ebay too, as being the same company they have the same screwed up policies, but without ebay... where else can i sell my items online easily, without massive merchant fee\'s
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Even if you win a claim, you\'re most likely to get jack. I waited ten days after the seller didn\'t respond to the complaint and won a whopping 44 cents from a $25.44 item. Now losing 25 bucks isn\'t that much or that bad, but it pisses me off that the deadbeat seller got away with everything and all Paypal has to say is:
\"The buyer\'s claim has been granted but the seller did not have sufficient funds in his PayPal account to cover the refund. PayPal is working with the seller to recover funds on the buyer\'s behalf.\"
Thanks a lot Paypal. I\'m sure you\'ll investigate as vigorously as OJ is looking for the real killers. :(
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off and need a place to vent their frustrations. But don\'t think for 1 second that your website here is going to be the demise of PayPal. So, I predict you\'ll continue to get more posts from new people,
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Actually we have had an effect. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.
\"You have successfully closed your account.\"
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hi,
just wondering
if you never got anything how did you still have the "junk" they sent? cuz i figure you had to have s/thing you didn't like or was junk or, you would say s/thing like they claimed i still had device, merchendise, or s/thing other wise how would youknow it was junk?
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<Andrzej Maj>
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<Common Sense>, paypal sucks better use some escrow services and it still dont solve the seller problem
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silverpie, What's even worse is that scammers already know they can simply use paypal to scam you as the story above indicates. Many people actually think that they are protected from scammers by paypal, then only to find out that nothing could be further from the truth! They are actually even more at risk. To get scammed by the scammers, then burned by paypal. What a choice!
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<Fletcher>, those emails are normally scams in their own right, not from Paypal at all, but from people trying to steal your information. (aka "phishing") I get them all the time pretending to be from actual banks, most of which I've had no dealings with... (you know, with "chattanooga" in my email, you'd think they'd fake a bank that actually has branches east of the Mississippi...)
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Quote: I used to scam ebay/paypal users i have made over $350,000 in 4 months with paypal and they have not done nothing to stop me , i used real bank accounts under my name , and i have spent all the money b4 i ended up in federal prison. The story end like this someone is paying for all this fraud and its the honest members =)
http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/netsec/2002-09/msg00063.html
Title: Hacker faces years in jail for city attack
Source: Edmonton Sun
Date Written: September 24, 2002
Date Collected: September 24, 2002
A Chicago man with no prior record may be sentenced to four to five years for a cyberattack against an Edmonton, Canada Internet service provider (ISP). "Andrzej Maj, 20, pleaded guilty last week in a Chicago court to a charge of knowingly causing the transmission of programs to cause damage without authorization to a protected computer." The investigation into a distributed denial of service attack that shut down the ISP for two days involved the FBI, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, and the United States Postal Inspection Service. Maj linked 200 computers together to attack the ISP in retaliation for shutting down a chat room he used. Maj also pleaded guilty to possessing unauthorized access devices, including 965 stolen credit card numbers.
http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-09-24-0008.html
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I used to scam ebay/paypal users i have made over $350,000 in 4 months with paypal and they have not done nothing to stop me , i used real bank accounts under my name , and i have spent all the money b4 i ended up in federal prison. The story end like this someone is paying for all this fraud and its the honest members =)
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Quote: I have not had any problems with Paypal to date, but your site has definately given me something to seriously think about.
Then we've done our job. Thanks for listening.
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